One of the most famous story on the net. Which bring a very serious question, is loli illegal or not?
Anime site, hosted in US using vBulletin. Has a gallery involving 'loli' - some sort of sick 'anime' involving children. *note: there was no real child porn, simply, cartoons of it... (sick yes, illegal debating).*
PirateReports, vBulletin licensing enforcer, goes to forum and doesn't like what he sees on the gallery. As the gallery is a part of the site and being discussed on the forums, demands the content is removed / user moves to a different forum software
Argument ensues, user points out nothing is illegal about it (specifically excluded and allowed under a US law although there seems to be another possibly contradicting that), and vBulletin then revoke license due to "moral reasons" - PirateReports did not act alone, they seem to have had the blessing from the vB business manager ("decision not mine" from emails)
http://www.hongfire.com/ <- website in question
This issue ended when vbulletin re-activate hongfire's vbulletin license because it was based on moral reasons and it wasn't part of VBULLETIN'S TOS to have the right to disable someone's license based on what content they share on their site.
Hongfire still hosts lolicon in their gallery, it is hidden from guests but once you register you can view these type of content. http://hongfire.com/cg/?
Question is is lolican against the law? I personally see it an act of encouraging child porn in a cartoonish way. Whether it is real or just some animation, they still use underage drawings in an abusive way. It encourages pedoliphian acts
http://www.hongfire.com/forum/showthread.php?t=79132 Loli Content
Loli images [What is so fun in these type of content]
I was looking around and I have found that loli is indeed illegal, it doesn't matter if you live in a country that belives loli is legal. As long as your sit is hosted on a USA server, then you bound to these rules I beleive and that loli is illegal. A site like hongfire.com gets visitors from all over the world, from Europe, America, Africa, thus hongfire and sites like them are allowing these type of contents to spread around the world. They are exposing the eyes of many teenagers not to mention if there are underages on these sites, which i am sure there is.
Loli is illegal:
http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/13486.html
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Get real. Find the truth before you make a comment on something you do not know. First, if you don't like it, that does not mean everybody does not like it. That is selfish.
ReplyDeleteSecond, there is no proof of this said encouagement you talked about. Actually, it is proven that lolicon actually prevents real CP because it satisfies the pedofiles without cousing any harm to the real and alive children. I think you should do some research before you comment.
And to blame hongfire for allowing underaged people get acces to pornographic content is plain stupid. They can get that everywhere. Do you have a kid over 12 I can garantee that he has some of it on his pc somewhere. Stop being stupid and irashonal. Be sure to understand everything before making a konklution like that.
Any questions? I can answer at magnus_elden@hotmail.com.
Hope this helped you and many others to open their eyes.
ah another person that misunderstands the situation.
ReplyDeleteyou say that loli encourages predatory sexual acts upon children, yet if you stand back and think about it, it does the opposite. I doubt people can change what their fetishes are very easily and loli is one way to keep people that have a fetish with "children" satisfied without having ACTUAL children affected. the problem arises when people are unable to distinguish fantasy from reality, which, unfortunately, the masses are becoming more and more prone to such a problem.
plus you say that hongfire is an easy portal that underage kids can use to view porn. its true, and they should do something about it, but as magnus states above... any half decently computer-literate kid these days has seen porn, or even has a stash of it on their computer. you cant stop the curious kids from finding out about life. and its not even that big of a deal if they have proper parenting, but i digress, most parents freak out if their kids see anything slightly sexual in nature since they refuse to acknowledge their kids are growing up. the problem that hongfire has can be easily remedied by having a disclaimer, even though that never stops anyone if you think about it...
in the end, its all a factor of culture, shall we remain in an ignorant state and encourage stupid illogical acts such as branding completely fictional works with the same stigma as actual acts? its like calling a good book with sex in it a work of actual pornography, its pathetic and illogical. if you have a instance of rape in a fictional book for example, should you arrest the author of such a book and charge him with rape? should people that make actual porn be charged with rape if they have a "rape" scene? its obviously staged since porn is fake anyways. all it takes is stepping back and taking a look at the full picture, loli is in the same category as fiction books, they are just fantasy pictures, you cant go around saying that things are illegal if they dont exist in the first place. its like saying that its illegal to have a unicorn as a pet, im pretty sure that unicorns dont actually exist.
People have gone insane these days to consider loli as a fetish. That is disgusting, way to go for USA to stop these type of materials. It messes up people's brain.
ReplyDeleteBeing a pedo is never a fetish, pedos are nothing but ill mentally people. I really see no debate on this. Both of you , your answers makes no logic. comparing animals to humans. Loli should be banned and those who possess these type of contents should either be arrested or pay a huge fine. There is nothing enjoyable watching an underage cartoonish children of the age 3-8 having sex with some adults. Sickkkkkkk
Nasty/sick content. nuff said
ReplyDeletewhat a dumass the last guy on here was. It sounds like he read 2 centances from each post and made his conclusion, ppl who look at loli DO NOT GO SEARCHING FOR REAL CHILD PORN/ THERE IS A huge freaking difference hell if you ever read one, of them have a funny little ending where the main charecter having sexual relations useualley gets caught and arrrested, love how thats ignored completley. It's really simple. have you ever had a convo where someone refuses to listen or see you'r point of view or is just simpley overlooks everything exspect the point that pisses them off? well hi there every person who is afraid of loli! thats you! :) and i get that i really do. it's stupid that you can't understand the diffrece. it's not illeagul pritty much anywhere unless you'r trying to infect the world or other ppl with it. i understand it can completly screw you'r mind up. but so what? everything these days is screwing ppls minds up. lolicon has the same basis as weed and fightclub if you'r not looking for it you don't even wana know about it cause you'r own thoughts about that kinda thing scare you. some ppl are way to narrow minded to get it. ever try explaining weed to a christan or someone who's life was darkened by drugs some how.? they'll never get it cause they don't wana understand it, there afraid that if they do it means they'll start liking it and they think it leads to child rape cause they hear alot about it from the midia, "and we all know how honest and truth revealing thoughs guys are" lol. that was a j/k incase the dumbass above this comment didn't get it or read it lol. so in the end ppl who freak out about it are infact afraid of oneday becoming a child raping monster, or living in a world with them as a tollerent factor. wich agian...is stupid ppl.....common you'r all smarter then that the world will never become a place where everyone will be into lolicon man gees.....wtf to anyone who i'm describing grow up, maturity and moral thinking come at anyage, you don't hjalf to be an adult to know somethings wrong unless you'r told otheer wise later on, in wich case you will feel massive and irriversable guilt on you'rself that may be very life threatening sometimes, if you got high moral standards. "example the priest who's being jacking off to porn each day just found out it's a sin what dose that priest do after he gfinds this out? if he's a good person he'll probobley feel extream guilt and may have a few life changes, a bad person says oh well i guess since it's a sin i'm a sinner now and i gotta go do my sinning stuff, time to go gamble have sex with minors and kill a few ppl right? what the hell is wrong with our genral pubilc that they can't figure this stuff out on there OWN. thankyou! and goodnight, and this one's for you freedom of not getting accused of child rape through pictures... it's just stupid ppl.
ReplyDeleteReal children are disgusting. Loli are perfect.
ReplyDeleteAnd all the people who think they can judge others are just pathetic, they follow animal instincts (in that case reproduction instinct) and everything that not work with it
(undergrade girls for exemple, who cant get pregnant, so have no use for reproduction) is claimed wrong. Claimed by ANIMALS, haha. Pathetic cattle who live by instincts dont have right to say PROGRESSIVE PEOPLE what to do. Future is made by people who deny their animal nature, and use their BRAIN to work on technology and science.
I am not encouraging pedophilia in any way, just hate people who judge others without any logical reason.
Wow... welcome to the world of "Fahrenheit 451."
ReplyDeleteMost of what I see here are uptight people trying to force there mores and ideals on other people, and I find that more offensive than any lolicon or shoutacon book.
And the censorship of anything that doesn't fit your twisted mind is also offensive to me. Though I might not enjoy such books or magazines, doesn't allow me the right to prevent others from enjoying them.
You're just a sick small-minded person, and much of what is wrong in this world.
They have this mindset in the middle east where they kill people for making music, stone women for driving or letting their ankles show... Why don't you go there and stay there... with all the other like minded freaks.
Here's a simple philosophy: If it doesn't hurt me, doesn't hurt the participants, and is consensual with all parties involved... then it's cool.
@Rabara
ReplyDeletelolis are NOT real, thought crime?, people who enjoy it don't go after the real thing, infrom yourself a little bit after making a huge fool of yourself